What to do after frozen water in engine

Tiny
BRANDON KING
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After a big freeze I have water in my engine overflow and it flowed into the engine and I woke up the next day to try to start my car and it sounded like ice was being crunched up in the engine. Now my engine will not crank it turns over but will not crank what to do?
Thursday, January 4th, 2018 AT 3:08 PM

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Tiny
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"Turning over" and "cranking" are the same thing. Ice will be in the water pump. That needs to turn as the engine rotates, so if the water pump is locked up, the starter will not be able to crank the engine. The solution is to get the engine in a warm place right away. It will take longer for the freezing temperature to make its way to the center of the engine than for the more-exposed parts like the radiator and heater core. If the water in the center of the engine freezes, the car likely will not be worth repair.

The first thing to happen to the engine will be one or more core plugs will be pushed out by the ice. For this reason, they are often called "freeze plugs". That alone has the potential to save the rest of the engine block from cracking, but if this is not addressed right away, the block will crack too. There is no repair for that other than to replace the engine.

If this gets bad enough to crack the engine block, you can expect to find the radiator, coolant reservoir, and heater core to also be cracked from the expanding ice. Replacing a heater core is a real big job as it requires removing the entire dash board.

The best course of action is to pull the car into a heated garage. It can take up to two days for all the ice to melt if the garage is not real hot. A less-effective alternative is to place a large blanket over the hood, then use a portable space heater to warm the engine. Be aware if it sits too close to a plastic bumper cover, those could melt or deform. This method also does not do anything for the heater core. It might get the engine started, but no coolant will flow through the heater core so you will only get cold air from the heater.

Once warmed up or when the engine is running, look underneath for a large puddle. If the engine seems to run okay, this might just be a matter of replacing the core plugs. If there are a lot of unusual noise, and there is smoke coming out where a core plug is missing, (more than just the normal steam), have a compression test performed to check for a cracked block.

Running straight water in the cooling system is not a good idea. Antifreeze contains a lot of necessary additives including water pump lubricant, seal conditioners, and corrosion inhibitors. With just water, you'll have more water pump failures. These additives wear out in about two years which is why we replace it periodically. It is normal for the coolant to become acidic over time. That acid attacks metal parts and leads to corroded and leaking heater cores, radiators, and cylinder head gaskets. A secondary effect is water holds a lot more BTU's of heat than does antifreeze. That means it takes longer for straight water to get up to proper operating temperature than it takes for a 50/50 mixture of antifreeze and water. During that prolonged warm-up period, emissions will be higher than normal, and fuel mileage will be reduced. You will save on fuel cost what you spend on a gallon of antifreeze.

Going the other way is just as bad. One hundred percent antifreeze holds fewer BTU's of heat, so it is very inefficient at moving the heat from the engine to the radiator. Under high-stress conditions it is possible for the engine to overheat when there is no other defect. Also, straight antifreeze freezes at around minus ten degrees, so depending on your climate, it may not provide the needed protection. It is when it is mixed with water that the freeze point drops to around minus thirty five degrees.
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Thursday, January 4th, 2018 AT 5:33 PM
Tiny
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I am thankful for your reply it means a lot to me on what to do. I have to wait a couple of days to see if I can get the car to thaw out because I have no garage or heated garage. If that does not help I will give you another question. Thank you and have a good day.
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Thursday, January 4th, 2018 AT 8:04 PM
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Please let us know what you find. We are interested to see what it is.

Cheers, Ken
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Sunday, January 7th, 2018 AT 11:06 AM
Tiny
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The problem is we had a freeze over here in Texas and I went to start my car the next day when it was full of water and it sound like my engine was crunching of ice. While I was told to let their water thaw out and then see what he does. Well the water thawed out and I drain the water out and it still was making a crunching sound and. I have a video but it is hard to see but you can hear what it sounds like.
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Wednesday, January 10th, 2018 AT 10:50 AM
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Brandon, First, please stop asking a new question every time, it is very hard to follow the thread when you do that. You can use the reply button and add in your responses, that keeps everything together so we do not repeat things a number of times.

Next please upload the video you have using the add image or video button. The sounds may tell us if the crunching is the starter or water pump or something else.
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Wednesday, January 10th, 2018 AT 10:50 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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Went outside to try to start my car and it is still not starting it is just making a turnover sound like something is still crunching in the engine had a video, but it did not show up. It had water in it and the water froze over it was cold here for like maybe four or five days straight under forty degree weather well actually twenty degrees. It has been three days now since we had like fifty five to sixty degree weather.
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Friday, January 12th, 2018 AT 9:09 AM
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Unless it has been over forty to fifty degrees for a couple days I doubt it has completely thawed out. I would start by looking the outside of the engine over for any leakage or damage. Freezing water can easily destroy an engine from the pressure the ice creates as it freezes and expands. The core plugs can be pushed out, radiator cores burst and much more. Until you are 100% sure that it has thawed out trying to start it will only damage things like the water pump, If it pushed out a head gasket and the crunching is actually ice inside a cylinder or similar then it will need to be replaced.

How cold did it get and for how long? What did it have for coolant? Straight water or what? What have the temperatures been since?
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Friday, January 12th, 2018 AT 9:09 AM
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This is what my car sounds like now that I let the water thaw out in the engine
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Monday, January 22nd, 2018 AT 8:43 PM
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Did you upload a video? Its not showing up
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Tuesday, January 23rd, 2018 AT 10:00 AM
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I had up loaded a video but I'm not getting it to send to you is there a way I can send
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Friday, January 26th, 2018 AT 9:55 AM
Tiny
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Is the video large? The add image or video should work fine when you reply. What happens when you try it?
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Friday, January 26th, 2018 AT 10:55 AM

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