Rough idle, no codes and no warning lights

Tiny
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Hi there. This problem has plagued me and left two mechanics stumped.

A few weeks ago I was sitting at Sonic with the engine idling. It was about 20 degrees so I left the car on so I could use the heater. The RPMs started to dip, then go back up, then dip, then go back up. I backed out and started to drive slowly and it tried to die, but kept itself at 500 RPM then recovered. I parked and it continued the dipping and recovering, never going below 500 RPM. Drove it home shortly after and didn't have any trouble until two days later. It didn't store any codes and no warning lights came on.

Cut to two days later. I was waiting in the left turn lane and without warning it died. I tried to start it up right away but it couldn't turn over (the not starting part probably doesn't matter because the line was starting to move and I panicked and tried to restart it while it was still in D). I popped it into neutral and it started right away without any problems.

I took it to an independent Volvo mechanic. He replaced the flame trap, cleaned something on the invoice listed as "carb choke", and replaced the vacuum hose.

Got it back. Worked fine until I was sitting in my car before class and it started dipping and recovering again. Keep in mind that it's only died once at this point. It kept doing its thing for about 7 minutes and then it did something slightly different. It started shaking in a fashion that I'd call just a hair short of violently. I shut it off right away. When it was shaking the RPMs didn't fluctuate more than 50 RPM in either direction. Everything was shaking; wheel, dash, mirrors, etc.

Back into the shop it went. It finally died when the mechanic had it (it wouldn't do it the first time in the shop). He checked all the obvious things. Fuel pressure was perfect (even when it died), all the spark plugs are functioning perfectly (replaced about a year ago), no clogs in the fuel lines, no vacuum leak, checked the ignition system (didn't mention it so I assume there was not a problem). He ended up replacing the idle motor with a used one. Earlier today when I picked it up he said he let it idle for about 40 minutes and it didn't do anything bad.

Got about 8 miles before it started to act up again. Got home, parked it in the driveway, opened the hood and let it idle. Went inside for a minute, heard it die, came out and tried to restart it. It took 4 good tries to get it to restart. It would turn over, act like it was going to start and then die, but not abruptly. It kind of "floated" to a stop. Did that two more times and finally started on the fourth try. When it was restarted I revved it to about 4000, let off, and on its way down it popped a little. Did it a few more times and the same popping noise. It wasn't LOUD loud, but definitely noticeable. I don't think it was a true backfire (I've had it explained to me the difference between a backfire and something similar and much more frequent that people call a backfire. I've had real back fires before when the spark plug caps failed).

I took it over to my fiancee's house so her dad could look at it. He's been a Honda service director for over ten years so I figured he might be able to think of something the mechanic missed. Had the car idling for about ten minutes before it did the dip and recover thing again. He couldn't find anything obviously wrong with it. He mentioned a sensor might be failing intermittently or the fuel pump might be failing, though as I said before, the mechanic checked the fuel pump and said it was fine.

Remember that through all of this no warning or check engine lights came on at all.

I drove it to the store today and it stalled once (not in traffic thankfully).

This might not have any influence over the actual problem, but it seems that every time I pull into my driveway the problem gets worse. It may just be because I slow down to a crawl to navigate my garage, but today it was dipping and recovering. I turned it off to see if it would start again without the problem and this time it took 6 cranks to get it to work again.

Any would would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
-Mike H.
Sunday, February 17th, 2008 AT 3:15 PM

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Tiny
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It turned out to be the mass air flow sensor.
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Friday, March 21st, 2008 AT 6:52 PM
Tiny
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Engine Performance problem
1997 Volvo 850 Two Wheel Drive Automatic 190000 miles

Hey got this 1997 volvo 850 with 190,000 miles and I just noticed it has a very rough idle. Only happens in drive or reverse. Not in neutral. If I am at a traffic light its bad. I noticed when your on the brake its worse. Once I get it up to 2,000 RPM it doesn't really do it. Only up to 2,000 RPM. What could this be? Bad vacuum line, bad egr?
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Saturday, February 23rd, 2019 AT 6:29 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Could be both, When was the last tune-up and do you have a check engine light? Clean out the idle air control Also test the throttle position sensor and mass airflow sensor.
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Saturday, February 23rd, 2019 AT 6:29 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Hey thanks for your response. I haven't really went in for a tune up. I use Mobil 1 and high performance filters. The engine light is on (thought it was O2 sensor) Where is the idle air control valve located?
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Saturday, February 23rd, 2019 AT 6:29 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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The IACV is located within the throttle body assy
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Saturday, February 23rd, 2019 AT 6:29 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Engine Mechanical problem
1997 Volvo 850 Front Wheel Drive Automatic 196000 miles

Hello guys! I started having a problem the other day when I drove to a store and had the AC going! I came back out and the car wouldn't start for several minutes. When it did start it idled very rough and then just smoothed out! Driving back to my house it started hesitating and stalled right there! It started up and then died after a few seconds. I had the fuel filter change and it ran beautiful untill I stopped the car and went to restart it and the same very rough idle and died! Any answers would be greatly welcome!
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Saturday, February 23rd, 2019 AT 6:29 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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Check the idle control valve, if it's dirty the car kswill misbehave, if is not then move to some more serious stuff like the fuel pump, if you run your car near empty all the time pumps overheat and burn the copper contacts and the gas pressure will diminish until the pump runs no more. Forgot to mention the fuel pump relay, sometimes the platinum wears and it sticks in the close position and the electromagnet don't have enough force to break the weld it creates.
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