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VOLVO XC70 NOISE PROBLEM

2008 Volvo XC70 • 55,000 miles

COLD START GRINDING SOUND (REVISED)

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When starting my car, there's a horrendous grinding/metallic/vibration noise coming from the passenger-side of the engine block. It is fully apparent when the car is COLD. Goes away after about 5-10 minutes drive time, and is much worse in the morning when it's cold outside. The "grinding" comes and goes in those first few minutes. The grinding almost sounds like "slipping".

SOME CLUES:

- When driving down the street (cold) with the sound, I put the car in Neutral while still moving (approx 20MPH) and the sound was still there.

- After a few minutes, the sound becomes more intermittent. I noticed that it appears at the top of the RPM's as it's changing gears (around 2,500). I also tried this is in manual Geartronic mode and noticed it happened again around 2,500 RPM's and continued as the RPMs fell, then stopped as they were increasing, then reappeared again 2,500-3000.

- After about five minutes, the sound will stop, but will kick in for a split second, as if something is "slipping"

- As the noise dies down a bit, it comes back for a split second when I go over the speed bumps on our street -- and always on the down side of the bump.

- As the noise dies down a bit, I may still hear it when making a hard turn.

- After the car is warm, I feel like it's still there (though much, much quieter) in Park and Reverse (at a standstill with the brake on), but goes silent in Neutral and Drive (again, with brake).\

- After about 15 minutes of drive time, the sound is gone.

MOUNTS: I did notice that the rubber part of the torque rod was cracked and had it replaced. My mechanic suspected that was the problem, replaced it and told me it was fixed, but when I picked it up hours later and started it cold, the noise was still there. (Note: He also did a 52,500 service on the car which included an oil change.)

Unfortunately, by the time the shop can get the car up on the rack, the sound is gone.

So my question is: What can be causing this issue? I guess it makes sense that it could be some kind of mount issue, but why would the sound go away so quickly? Remember, it's completely gone after the car warms up.

Searching the web, I found this video of a Volvo 850 that appears to have a similar sound -- though I will note it is very hard to compare sounds from a YouTube video!

http://youtu.be/Yw1z8KfNtig

On it, he claims the issue was a faulty bearing in the water pump.

So far (on 2carpros), suggestions have included (1) the power steering pump, (2) loose torque converter bolts/nuts, and (3) belt/tensioner.

Any thoughts most appreciated! Thanks.
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Canyondrive
January 28, 2013.




If you can do this would really help fix your problem drop your car off overnight where your mechanic can disconnect the belt and start the motor to see if thenoise is still there. If it is still there then it 's an internal part of theengine making noise and not the water pump. I suggested that the last time. If the noise isn't there then it 's eitehr a bearing in alternator, water pump or p/s pump. That way the mechanicn can shut htemotor off and "feel" the water pump bearing to see ifit feels rough or make some noise by hand.
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Tiny
Hmac300
Jan 29, 2013.
I only mention this additional clue as I have yet to get to the mechanic: I've noticed that the sound is getting a little worse, but I've also noticed that the sound does exist now when the car is warmed up. BUT I only hear it when I'm cruising along and I take my foot OFF the accelerator.

And I'm starting to think that sound is slightly more rattle and grind.

Is it possible the busted rubber on the torque rod let another mount somewhere get a little loose? Could these clues explain such a situation?

Thanks.

Tiny
Canyondrive
Feb 2, 2013.
Noises on here are very hard for us to diagnose, it's alot easier when you are there. I would tend to think somethingn is rubbing somewhere unless it is internal, that is why I said earlier PULL THE BELT OFF AND START THE CAR UP WHEN IT'S COLD TO ELIMINATE ANY NOISE FROM BELT DRIVE APPLICATIONS. Any mechanicn shold do that first especially with your problem. It could be a bad alternator bearing. Then try to get car on hoist to see if any shield metal or otherwise is rubbing anywhere, this has to be a step by step thing. If a motor mount or troque rod busing is gone there are other things you can do for that but if the torque rod bushing were gone I woudl thin k when you step on gas -due to torque the noise would stop

Tiny
Hmac300
Feb 2, 2013.

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