2003 Ford Windstar ABS C1185 trouble code

Tiny
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I have experienced the same problems discussed in this thread, with only the abs light coming on during extended driving. Before reading this forum, I made an appointment to have the computer scanned but wonder now if I should bother spending the money to do that. I am happy to file a complaint with FORD and will look for the contact information.

Thanks for all the good work on this problem.

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Saturday, September 22nd, 2007 AT 7:45 AM
Tiny
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Ok found it for about $100 dollars cheaper

Cancelled the first one and ordered the second. Strange how both sites look exactly the same and have the same parts, but Fordparts. Com is cheaper than Newfordparts. Com

William

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Saturday, September 22nd, 2007 AT 10:37 AM
Tiny
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I don't know if it is the soaring Canadian loony or what but the cost for a new module to be placed in my son's '03 Windstar was $225.00 CAD. For the module and $120.00 in labour. That is a lot less then anywhere else I've seen. Time will tell if it is a permanent fix but so far so good.3 weeks and 2000 KM since the repair. :D

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Saturday, September 22nd, 2007 AT 1:09 PM
Tiny
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Steve,

I just got an E-mail from the Ford Part site that I tried to order from. They asked which part I needed, the "CONTROL ($100.00 core charge added)" or the "VALVE ASSEMBLY - MODULATO ($100.00 core charge added)" Each cost about $420. The part numbers for each are 2F2Z-2C219-CA and 1F2Z-2B373-BA

Any idea which one I need? I'm thinking it's the Control, since I don't think I've had any trouble with the Valve assembly.

(By the way, I think being in the army helped a bit in getting them to ask me if I needed only one part instead of the whole package, seeing that the guy that wrote me is a Vet.)

William

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Saturday, September 22nd, 2007 AT 4:23 PM
Tiny
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Steve,
I have attached a picture of the 2B373 module that I have ready to install on my 99 Windstar with traction control.

With your answer about 2C219 vs 2B373, now I am confused.

Do I have the correct module?


http://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/90632_controller_1.jpg



If I have the wrong module, then I will put it up for sale.

Thanks,
Terry

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Saturday, September 22nd, 2007 AT 7:14 PM
Tiny
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The Vet hasn't answered me yet, but I was hoping that someone here could tell if this piece has Traction Control or not...


http://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/97521_ABS_31_2.jpg



I also stopped a Woman with a 99 Windstar and asked if she had had any problems with the ABS. She told me that she had, but her mechanic told her that a "tooth" had chipped on the drivers side wheel portion of the axel. (I know this sounds confusing, but it was a Germany lady and she knows less about mech stuff than I do)

Anyway, after she changed the Axel part, the lights went out. She did say that the codes pointed to that, so I'm pretty sure it's not related to what we are going through... just thought I'd throw that out FYI.

William

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Monday, September 24th, 2007 AT 2:09 PM
Tiny
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Just finished dealing with the Vet (Ken) and he helped find me the correct part. He saved me at least $500 just by contacting me before placing the order I had made and letting me know that I might not need both parts that I had unknowingly ordered. He's putting the part in the mail today and I should have it in about 2 weeks. Of course I'll keep the reciept just in case we win against Ford and they recall the ABS parts. Maybe I'll get part of the money back.

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Monday, September 24th, 2007 AT 3:37 PM
Tiny
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Mine says "EBC 430 TC" and the part numbers are 13252904 and S108199001. I was told this was for the traction control option.

Hope this helps.

Terry

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Monday, September 24th, 2007 AT 6:33 PM
Tiny
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So far so good. Well it has been 14 days and 1600 KMs since the module was replaced and all is well with the Windstar. I'm going to try to find out but I do believe that the module they used was NOT a Ford part but from a Ford after market supplier to fleet repair shops. Let you know. :Lol:

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Wednesday, September 26th, 2007 AT 7:38 AM
Tiny
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Buscop,

If you get the chance to crawl under your Van, take off the cover of the ABS (under the drivers seat) and you should see a sticker like the one I showed in the pic above. It should say Ford if it's a Ford part.

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Wednesday, September 26th, 2007 AT 2:54 PM
Tiny
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Hi everyone. I have a 2002 Windstar. I am wondering if some one can answer a question for me. I know the ABS ECU is bolted on top of the ABS HCU and the ECU has electrical wires going into it. Are there any electrical connections going into the HCU?

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Thursday, September 27th, 2007 AT 10:27 PM
Tiny
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No wires to HCU. It gets all of its signals from where the ECU bolts to it. Great picture above of that. Silver circles.

ScottM

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Monday, October 1st, 2007 AT 6:36 AM
Tiny
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Hi,

I've been having a weird problem with my windstar lately. After I park overnight in my garage, the next day when I try to pull my car out after going in reverse for a couple of inches I hear a loud screeching noise and the brake light goes on, the behavior is consistent. I have left my van once at Ford Dealership and they say they have not noticed this happen.

The person from whom I purchased the car would always use parking brakes. I now use the parking brake every evening and next day morning start the van, reverse to get out of garage and I don't hear the noise nor the light comes on.

I really want to get the problem fixed. What should I do?

Thanks,
Hitesh

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Tuesday, October 2nd, 2007 AT 11:24 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

This morning I brought the van to the dealership here. There is a TSB that exists for this problem. The TSB # is 16526 and below is the description:

16526 1995-2003 WINDSTAR - LOW SPEED FALSE ABS ACTIVATION/ABS INDICATOR OR RED BRAKE LAMP ILLUMINATED

SOME 1995-2003 WINDSTAR VEHICLES MAY EXHIBIT LOW SPEED FALSE ABS ACTIVATION, ABS INDICATOR LAMP AND/OR RED BRAKE LAMP ILLUMINATION, THIS MAY BE DUE TO A LOOSE REAR SENSOR HOLD DOWN AND/OR BENT REAR SENSOR BRACKET FLANGE. TO SERVICE, FIRST PERFORM NORMAL WORKSHOP MANUAL DIAGNOSIS AND ANY APPLICABLE PIN POINT TESTS. THEN PERFORM A THOROUGH INSPECTION OF ALL TONE RINGS FOR CRACKS, RUNOUT, OR FLAWED TEETH, IF THE TONE RINGS ARE OK, CHECK ALL SENSORS FOR LOOSENESS OR INCORRECT REAR SENSOR AIRGAP. USING A FEELER GAUGE, ADJUST THE REAR SENSOR AIR GAM TO.020" -.030" BY SLIGHTLY ADJUSTING THE REAR SENSOR BRACKET. AFTER ADJUSTMENTM, MAKE SURE THAT THE SENSOR FACE IS PARALLEL TO THE TONE RING.

EFFECTIVE DATE: 01/15/2003

If my problem gets solved by the above, I'll post an update.

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Wednesday, October 3rd, 2007 AT 9:12 AM
Tiny
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Got the part yesterday and made an appointment with the AAFES (Post Exchange) to change out the Control Module. The Van is going in on Monday, and I'm not sure how long it will take. I hope to be able to brief you all on wether or not this works by Monday night. Registration runs out on Sunday, so I have to tag another 15$ onto total price for late registration.

By the way, the part I got isn't made by the same company as the stock piece, but the numbers match and it looks correct.

William

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Wednesday, October 3rd, 2007 AT 2:45 PM
Tiny
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Obviously not the same problem this thread is dedicated to but I will give it a stab.

When was the last time your rear brakes were checked. The wheel cylenders on mine were siezed and had to be replaced. A cheap fix. My other hunch is a master cyl. Pressure imbalance. That can be checked by disconnecting the pressure switch on the bottom side of the cyl.

If you backup and it squeels and the light does not come on it is likely the master cyl.

I'm no pro but there are my guesses.

ScottM

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Wednesday, October 3rd, 2007 AT 6:52 PM
Tiny
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Mine had a low speed red light issue at first, this may be it but I'm not convinced at all.

First off if it is the problem they would be able to say exactly what light would go on.

I think the low signal is getting to the ECU and getting lost in a high resistance cold solder joint and depending on what solder joint is bad first indicates what light goes on.

My two cents.

Thanks for the TSB post hsoneji! I cannot wait to hear your results. What codes did you have? C1185?

ScottM

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Wednesday, October 3rd, 2007 AT 6:58 PM
Tiny
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I am one of those who has just started experiencing the ABS and Brake light problem. My Winstar only has 47718 miles and has always been housed in a garage. Here in Southern Ca we have very little rain (3.53 in. Last year) so moisture is not the problem. The lights come on in the afternoon only and not everyday. I took the car into my local excellent brake shop. He put the tester on the system and said the codes indicated a new ABS system was need at a cost of $1200-$2000. After I said no to that we agreed I would bring it in for more testing tomorrow AM. After reading the great writeups I now feel that I am prepared. I'll keep everyone posted. Steve keep up the good work.
Wayne

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Wednesday, October 3rd, 2007 AT 7:09 PM
Tiny
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Just a hunch. Anyone want to play?

Anyone wanna try taping an ice pack on top of the ECU and see if it keeps the light from coming on longer?

Mine is dead I cannot play.

ScottM

PS: State inspection today. My mechanic with a heads up said he would not fail it with ABS failure, (but some others would).

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Thursday, October 4th, 2007 AT 6:19 AM
Tiny
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The awful noise when going in reverse and the red brake ight on are also symtoms of the bad ECU. Krystaluma ( whose story is somewhere in these 13 pages) had it, and I had. Both problems were fixed by the replacement of the ECU. Warning- Krystaula story is a frighting experience! That and Scottm's fire led me to get my van fixed! I think when the ECU goes bad, the results could be unpreditable! I also did NOT have the c1185 code.

I will update all soon. I just got my van back Tuesday.

Dave

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Thursday, October 4th, 2007 AT 11:21 AM

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