ABS C1185 trouble code

Tiny
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Basically the ABS connector will be inspected and if required, replaced.

According to my contact at the NHTSA if your lights are still on after the recall, insist that the check the connectors again and replace the SCSD. If they will not contact the NHTSA immediately in regards to recall compliance.
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Wednesday, October 14th, 2009 AT 9:12 AM
Tiny
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What is the scsd
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Friday, October 16th, 2009 AT 3:31 PM
Tiny
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S/b SCDS = Speed Control Deactivation Switch (Made byTexas Instruments and used in Ford Vehicles.)
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Friday, October 16th, 2009 AT 4:20 PM
Tiny
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Hello all.

I am the sad, sorry owner of a '99 Windstar (now has 148K). About three years ago the ABS light began to come on intermittently. After taking it around and getting estimattes ranging from $500 to $1500 for a new ABS module to a new computer, I decided to live with the light.

About two months ago, we moved from Michigan, where the van had lived since it was born, to Virginia - where it was warmer longer. The ABS light stayed on for most of the trip, unless we went over a bump, then it would come back on about five minutes later.

Anyway, I heard that Ford had finally recalled the Windstar after years of recalling everything but. So I called the dealer we purchased it from, they gave me the information I needed, and I took it in Friday to the local Ford dealer for the repair. Prior to going in on a cold, rainy day, I took the flashlight out to see if there was brake fluid leaking. Sure enough, there was a puddle of yellow fluid right under the master cylinder.

So I took the van in, walked the kids down to McDonald's (they're three and I was in a repair facility; it's not like I was going to be able to take them out to watch the repair being done anyway). An hour later I get the call that it's done. I walk back and they say I'm all set. I specifically tell them there was brake fluid under the master cylinder, please check the ABS unit not just the SCDS. The three techs look at each other, shrug their shoulders, huff a sigh, and fifteen minutes later pronounce my van 'complete'.

I'm uneasy that it took them 15 minutes when the original issue took an hour, but it's my first time to this dealer - it's my first repair in this state. I'm not going to call shenanigans without at least testing it.

So Sunday my husband and I took our three kids to the zoo. Not five miles in to the trip the ABS light came on and stayed on. And it was warmer and less humid - it was 70oF. The cruise does in fact turn off at the steering wheel now, we checked that. But I'm still concerned about a fire.

And was it ever determined that the "O/D Off" idiot light was part of this problem?
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Monday, November 16th, 2009 AT 8:29 AM
Tiny
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It is 100% likely that brake fluid "wicked" down the wires from the master cylinder to the ABS connector. It likely corrupted the connector. It is impossible to clean a wire without replacement.

So if your Ford dealer did not "inspect" the connector you are in danger of fire at that location.

My van had a fire. My local Ford dealership has had the van for two weeks now in the process of repair to the entire burned ABS unit. They gave me a loaner in the process.

If you still have a problem after the recall work, file a safety complaint with the NHTSA stating it was after the recall work was completed.

Ford is trying to get as many of these in the junk yard before having to issue a specific recall for the ABS unit.
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Monday, November 16th, 2009 AT 8:56 AM
Tiny
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I have a 2001 windstar that HAS had the recall done and still have the same problems with the brake and abs lights on intermitenly. I live in Arizona where it is warm most of the time and found it to happen all the time. Now the cruise control does not work. I think all the people that have bought this piece of crap van should file a class action lawsuit against ford. The dealership told me right to my face that the abs/brake lights and cruise control was NOT the reason for the recall ONLY the leaking switch
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Thursday, November 26th, 2009 AT 7:36 PM
Tiny
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Was your switch leaky? I suspect they did not replace the switch, can you confirm or deny?
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Friday, November 27th, 2009 AT 4:52 AM
Tiny
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Yes the switch was leaking and the new one did nothing to fix the other problems
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Friday, November 27th, 2009 AT 2:13 PM
Tiny
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You may have had an issue at your ABS unit that Ford failed to inspect. You should be able to do a visual inspection on this connector yourself. If they did not inspect it as required you are entitled to an inspection and remedy. Again see the ford document on the website above.

If ford refuses to inspect it, show them the document, if they continue denial, contact the service manager, then Ford Customer service and the NHTSA in that order!
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Friday, November 27th, 2009 AT 2:55 PM
Tiny
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It has been two years since my first post the abs module pictures. For the beginning of several months of 2008, I have been trying to monitor my abs module to see if I can catch the problem. Unfortunately, the abs and brake lights failed to come on during the time of monitoring. So I sealed the module and have driven my windstar for about 20 month, the abs and brake lights never come back. This only means one thing to me, the board has some connection problem. Most likely is the trace inside the PCB. I recall several person replaced the module and the problem get fixed. I only resoldered the module.

I really disappointed with the Windstar's quality. Trouble keep coming: dysfunction power window, interior lights keep on, check engine light.
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Wednesday, December 2nd, 2009 AT 4:47 PM
Tiny
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George

I have owned Fords all my life and generally at the same time Chevy's. They each had draw backs and consistent problems over the years.

My Ford problems were always Electrical (most time quality related), Brakes (just not functioning as expected), and Main Seals (always leaked). The newer smaller motors seem to have fixed the main seal issue. But it seems electrical and brake issues go on. I am worried the Focus and highly electronic Hybrid Escape owners will have catastrophic electrical problems given Ford's history.

One this I can say about both my Fords and Chevy's as of the last 10 years is that they do keep running, almost no matter what.

Best wishes
Scott M
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Wednesday, December 2nd, 2009 AT 6:33 PM
Tiny
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Inside lights issue (spray wd 40 in the door latch assembly's. That worked for me.) Power windows fail by their nature. Check engine light, what codes is it throwing? Check for free at Advance Auto Parts.
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Wednesday, December 2nd, 2009 AT 6:36 PM
Tiny
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Thanks, Scott. This is life. It will keep me busy on the weekend. I just love my small Saturn. There is not too many fancy electrical stuff, but it runs reliably.
Have a peaceful holiday season.
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Friday, December 4th, 2009 AT 10:41 PM
Tiny
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Hey yall, how is it going? well finly got my van to the dealership for the recall ! i was so happy then i started talking to them. they told me all the were going to do was put a inline fuse in my wires to the switch. i lol at them and told them good luck, the dealerships personal look at me stupid so i told them that there was no switch in my van cause the old one had melted along with the harnise to it. they told me that they did not know if ford would replace my harnise and switch that they would have to investigate it and report findings to ford, i said investigate it why the reason the switch is recalled is because it starts the van on fire. they said my van could have started on fire because of any reason LMAO so anyways why would a company recall the part to fix it then not tell the dealerships that any part that was damaged by the recalled part needed to be fixed or replace (ECU) i meen so the switch leaked break fluild on to my ecu causeing my door locks and radio to go haywire then cought the switch on fire so i got lucky and noticed the van cought on fire right pulled harnise fast and put flames out. what happened to scotts van did you get a new van dude or did they say they would put a inline fuse in it even though it burned up?
as for the abs problem they did not even say they would look at it wtf is wrong with ford will be watching the forum close from now on so i know when to join the lawsuite aginst them. cant wait to here back from you guys and gals


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Wednesday, December 9th, 2009 AT 10:51 AM
Tiny
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Hello All

My van is back. It took the dealership about 1 month to complete all of the work.

The replaced the SCDS, Wire harness, ECU, HCU and one speed sensor.

If you are not satisfied with their plan (DO NOT DO THE WORK!) Once they say it is complete their obligation is somewhat satisfied.

The recall is not just installing a fusible link. It is an inspection of the switch, replacement if needed, and inspection of the ECU connector and repair/replace if needed (only when a leaking switch was observed in the previous step.)

Ford pays a very minimal amount to dealerships for them to do the work and therefore the dealer wants you in and out and is NOT looking out for your best interest.

You are your own best advocate. If you had a leaky switch, insist they do the recall right.
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Monday, December 14th, 2009 AT 10:23 AM
Tiny
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I have an 01. ABS, red brake, and trac off lights have been on for about a year and a half now. Intermittent at times, but mostly on. The other day, the speedo started bouncing around, and then a bit after that the o/d off light was flashing. The o/d off light takes a while longer to come on now, but the speedo bounces all the time, and then catches for a moment, then bounces. I was thinking it was the VSS causing the problem with the speedo and o/d light. Then I came upon this site. I just went out and checked the switch under the Master cylinder, its bone dry and the reservoir is full. There are no signs of leaking anywhere, and I don't believe that is the problem. The tone rings on the shafts are fine, I replaced those a year ago or so when I had a bad joint and was doing some other front end work anyway. I have had instances where the ABS has just kicked in randomly on dry road and I had no braking, as the pedal went to the floor, was almost like they were in constant "pressure release" and nothing was going to the wheels. I'll be honest though, with 155K on it, its been a damn good vehicle for us, with only an alternator and the upper intake isolator bolts going bad so far, and some routine front end supsension parts.
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Sunday, December 20th, 2009 AT 8:48 PM
Tiny
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Clumsy2222

The problem is at the ABS module. With an event like a failed brake pedal I would be all over deactivating that unit. (2-40a fuses next to battery.)

It is likely at this point one of two things in this order.

1. A bad wheel speed sensor (It will throw a C code like c1155.

2. ABS ECM unit is kaput

If I were you and 155 k I would

1. Remove the light bulbs on the dash
2. Remove the two fuses that shut off the ABS

Keep and eye on the SCDS for leakage especially after a brake job.

ScottM
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Monday, December 21st, 2009 AT 6:17 AM
Tiny
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Thanks for the reply. I have replaced one wheel sensor on the front already. I think possibly the drivers side one might be shot as when I was putting on a new tie rod end a few weeks ago, it looked like it was cracked a bit where the small bolt is that holds it to the knuckle, would that cause the speedo and the o/d off to flike like that? The odometer still works. Those fuses have been pulled since after the brakes did that, i'll go old school and pump them in the winter on ice and stuff. The van is going in the shop wednesday for an alignment and coolant flush, and he is putting it on the scanner to see what he pulls off it. I was thinking it was the VSS, but with the odometer working still, not sure that is the problem. The shop guy said it sounds like because of the o/d off flashing and the speedo doing that, its likely a sensor in the tranny, not sure I like diagnosis that as the transmission is working 100%. Oh well, wife called me today and said the check engine light is on now, hoping its related to the new speedo problem and throws that "no input from vss" code.
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Monday, December 21st, 2009 AT 3:45 PM
Tiny
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Scottm, forgot to ask in previous reply. If I disconnect the abs ecm from under the van, is it just electrical connectors and a bolt or two? Can the van still function with it removed? I wouldn't mind taking it off and seeing if the board is compromised at any of those solders, cleaning it up and reinstalling it, thus avoiding the dealer reprogram altogether.
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Monday, December 21st, 2009 AT 3:49 PM
Tiny
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It is a sealed (solid state) unit (Very hard to get into then fix and reseal.) Has been done however with positive results on re-solder.
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Monday, January 4th, 2010 AT 11:33 AM

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