ABS C1185 trouble code

Tiny
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NTHSA=1-888-327-4236.
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Monday, February 23rd, 2009 AT 4:21 PM
Tiny
MOSHBIKES21
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Okay, another report sent to the gov. Report did not have anywhere for me to put the pictures, funny thing I got good look at ECU and it did not look like it has been hurt. I am going to try to get a CarFax report on the van to see if someone made insurance claim on it catching fire before and replaced ECU. Really does not make sense because all locks, radio and gauges all have problems linked to ECU?
Anyways I will call the number to see if they want the switch sent in. Scott the plug you used was 3/8 or 3/16? I used a 3/16 plug in place of the switch 3/8 way too big. :) Anyways I will keep letting people know about the web site and hope Ford helps us Windstar owners out soon.

EDIT: Haha I just realized I have no use for a jumper wire now cruise control is fried. Lol. Good thing the wife is a main driver I cannot live without cruise control. It keeps me from speeding in the city, lol.
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Monday, February 23rd, 2009 AT 4:43 PM
Tiny
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Mike in hot portion of Califronia.
2003 Windstar, 125,000 miles, original owner.
Parking brake/ABS lights come on while driving. Also, have ignition switch issue which causes the interior lights to come on. Jiggle the switch and they go out. Also rear door locks will not pop-up enough to unlock the doors and rear speakers cut in and out. (Also own a 1998 Windstar but none of these issues.)

Filed the complaint with the gov.

The dealership today gave me a $1,350.00 estimate to replace the electronic and hydraulic units to correct the ABS/parking brake light problem. I was getting other work done (A/C), but now I wonder if I am getting ripped off because they must know about this problem. I did not authorize the ECU/HCU correction, so when I get the car back tomorrow, I will try the ignition switch cleaning and see what that does. I will also note the condition of the switch and other recommendations found within.

I am in the market to buy a new car and the US makers are not looking too good to me. :(
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Tuesday, May 12th, 2009 AT 5:31 PM
Tiny
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Warm weather has returned again to the northeast and so has the problem.

When its cold outside the problem presents itself only on long drives (sometimes not even then).

As soon as warmer weather is present problem pops up within a few miles of driving.

Come on FORD admit to the problem and fix this!
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Wednesday, May 13th, 2009 AT 3:52 PM
Tiny
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For ABS and parking brake light try this its a $25.00 fix.
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Wednesday, May 13th, 2009 AT 4:09 PM
Tiny
NOAHMALO
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Hi folks,

I am all set with all of the other steps and have filed the complaint. Are there any step by step instructions for removing the ABS and brake bulbs so that I can get a sticker? I need those lights off to get a sticker I would presume. Thoughts? Help?

Also, found a severe crack in rear frame not at an existing weld. Literally cracked 3/4 of the way through. Unbelievable. Weld job.
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Friday, June 5th, 2009 AT 7:21 AM
Tiny
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If the repairs listed in my link worked for you, the lights should go out by themselves. Did you clean wiring with some spray electrical contact cleaner? Check the connections at the PCM and brake junk under it?
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Friday, June 5th, 2009 AT 2:40 PM
Tiny
JLD2K3
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Can anyone verify that this is the fix for the 2002 and 2003 models as well? Pages 1-10 discussed similar issues and made it sound like it was only for 2002 and 2003's.
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Tuesday, June 16th, 2009 AT 8:01 AM
Tiny
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If the deactivation switch is on the bottom of the master cylinder, check it for brake fluid leaking out, and getting into the wiring harness, it is a fire hazard.
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Tuesday, June 16th, 2009 AT 3:16 PM
Tiny
MOONEMA
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I am an owner of a 2003 Ford Windstar LX. I have been having the same problem with the brake/ABS light coming on for over a year now. It was more of an annoyance than anything. I have not had the problem with the brake fluid leaking down out of the master cylinder.

Well, about two weeks ago I was out driving it and when I went to stop at a light the brake pedal went all the way to the floor. I could not get it to work at all and was very thankful to be able to get it to stop with the emergency brake. I had it towed to a mechanic. It was working when he went out to test it but was eventually able to get it to fail. The codes he came back with are the following:

C1185, C1198, C1194, C C1246, C1254, C1250, C1242, C1214 and C1210

He stated that the HCM needed to be replaced and he recommended I take it to a dealer due to the fact they needed to reprogram the module. I have now been told by the dealer that I need the ECM and HCM replaced.

Has anyone experience total loss of brakes through this process and would the brake/ABS light issue be related to that this failure? I have talked to various non dealer mechanics and they seem to think this is what I need to have replaced based on the codes and failure of the braking system.

Any thoughts from you guys on this failure and resulting diagnosis?

Thanks,
Mark
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Tuesday, July 21st, 2009 AT 1:11 PM
Tiny
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So you had none of the brake switch problems, but still lost your brakes? Weird. Had you recently done any work on the brakes such as pad change or rotors? I am thinking you could have maybe had air in the lines. Your brake fluid was full? It really sounds like your brake fluid was all gone or air in the lines. I mean my ABS light has been on for over two years and nothing like that has happened since I took switch out and put plug in. I will watch forum for a while to see if you got it fixed. Sorry could not help.
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Monday, August 10th, 2009 AT 12:47 AM
Tiny
BMTTA2003
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Tired of waiting! For the first time in my life I bought a foreign car. Traded in the garbage Windstar for a Honda. Shame on Ford for not backing its products may the company get what it deserves.
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Saturday, August 22nd, 2009 AT 6:54 PM
Tiny
WAGSK1
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I had the same problem with the power steering whine. Lucas power steering treatment work like a charm in about ten minutes. I also have the same problem with the ABS/brake lights on.
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Monday, August 24th, 2009 AT 11:48 PM
Tiny
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I also have the brake and ABS lights come on in my car intermittently. But it is more often than not these days (about a year and a half since it first started). The last comment said he replaced an alternator. I have replaced my alternator twice in a year and have always thought that this had something to do with the ABS and brake lights coming on. Anyone have any other information on this? It would be much appreciated!
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Tuesday, September 8th, 2009 AT 7:48 PM
Tiny
THREEGIRLSSS
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Could the problem still be the brake pressure deactivation switch if the #10 fuse is not blown? Mine is not. Thanks for your help!
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Saturday, September 12th, 2009 AT 5:32 PM
Tiny
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One sure way to find out is unplug it from the bottom of the master cylinder, and see if it is wet with brake fluid.
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Saturday, September 12th, 2009 AT 6:14 PM
Tiny
JESSICAWHITE95
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Just bought a 2002 Windstar and I am having the same problem. After some searching online I found a website that explained what is happening very well and Ford is possibly going to be recalling the affected vehicles.
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Sunday, September 27th, 2009 AT 6:40 PM
Tiny
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My wife and I bought a 2003 Ford Windstar from Garber Buick in Midland Michigan, and they replaced the brakes, pads, shoes, drums, rotors. All the brake things, before we bought it, after we got it home, the next day the brake light and ABS light came on while driving the van. The next day I called the car dealership up, because we got a three month warranty on it, told them what happened. The next week they got it into their service department, and had it for a week and they called and said they replaced the ABS unit (whatever that is). I said okay then we took it home and then the next day the lights are on again. I called the dealership again today and they were going to call the service department and see what is going on. So I went on the computer and found this site, and I see that I m not the only one with the problem. On another site they said to check under the master cylinder and see if the wires are getting wet from a leak on the master cylinder, that can cause a fire. I did not know that but after we got it my wife said, hun does that look like smoke from the engine, I wonder if it is leaking. I will check, and get back to you guys, it does not seem right for all these Windstars to be having the same problems, there must be something someone can do to fix them. If anyone knows let me know. Thanks to all who reads this and I hope we can fix the problems.
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Tuesday, October 6th, 2009 AT 3:02 PM
Tiny
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Unfortunately when I spoke to the investigator in mid summer the recall is going to be for the brake deactivation switch and not the ABS and associated parts. This is the feeling that I got when I spoke to him. It seems that the investigation is centered around this switch like in the F150 recalls.
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Monday, October 12th, 2009 AT 4:49 PM
Tiny
BMTTA2003
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I just finished reading the re-call article. Windstar owners are getting screwed. Ford is only replacing a guard and a new wire harness to prevent fires from the de-activation switch. This will not fix your dash board lights and abs problems.

The NHTSA actually applauded Ford for their quick voluntary re-call. The NHTSA is just another useless bureaucratic waste of money.

Thank god I got rid of my windstar. It took me many years to finally breakdown and buy a foreign car. American car manufacturers should be run out of business. I am willing to pay more for American manufactured products, but I am not willing to pay more for an inferior product.
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Tuesday, October 13th, 2009 AT 5:56 PM

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