High idle issue and intermittent shifting cause IAC, TPS?

Tiny
SATURNTECH9
  • EXPERT
  • 30,734 POSTS

Try unhooking the negative battery cable for about a min then hook it back up and see how it runs?

Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Wednesday, December 12th, 2012 AT 1:14 AM
Tiny
DLVAUGHN1963
  • MEMBER

Well I'm convinced the issue I s the pcv tube. Do you remember that tube I replaced three months ago? It looks like the hose I got from autozone. So I've ordered the hose from a gm parts store. Will let you know how it turns out.

Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Wednesday, December 12th, 2012 AT 7:30 AM
Tiny
SATURNTECH9
  • EXPERT
  • 30,734 POSTS

Whats wrong with the tube is it bad again?

Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Wednesday, December 12th, 2012 AT 4:31 PM
Tiny
DLVAUGHN1963
  • MEMBER

It's not holding a seal where it goes into the valve cover

Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Wednesday, December 12th, 2012 AT 9:21 PM
Tiny
SATURNTECH9
  • EXPERT
  • 30,734 POSTS

Have you tried putting on a hose clamp to see if it takes care of the problem?

Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Thursday, December 13th, 2012 AT 6:17 AM
Tiny
DLVAUGHN1963
  • MEMBER

Can't be clamped. I think the aftermarket hoses do not have the right dimensions for the hole the tube "t" goes in. The oem plug part is rubber and has a better fit. The aftermarket hose has a plastic "finned" plug that does not offer a tight enough fit for the hole, so there must be a grommet needed if you use the aftermarket hose. The problem with trying this, is you would have to take the throttle body off, and remove a clamp to do all this. Then I'd need a gasket and other things. I've ordered another hose, but this one is supposed to be oem. I will see when it gets here on Monday.

Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Friday, December 14th, 2012 AT 3:28 PM
Tiny
SATURNTECH9
  • EXPERT
  • 30,734 POSTS

Sounds good keep me posted.

Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Saturday, December 15th, 2012 AT 7:06 AM
Tiny
DLVAUGHN1963
  • MEMBER

Well replaced the line and as always the initial start sounds good, then the random misfiring starts up. It seems that anytime something is replaced, it changes but not really fixed. It seem that when I replace a part, the engine goes thru a high rev that seem to cycle for about four accelerations. I attribute this to the engine computer relearning for idle mixtures. Of course when the engine goes though the rough idle cycles with the misfires, the intake air sounds like its being blocked or rerouted. I'm wondering if my mass airflow sensor is bad. Cause when I unplug it and let the engine run, it seems to settle to normal. I did get to replace the coolant temp sensor but that has not changed anything. I'm almost running out of options.

Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Tuesday, December 18th, 2012 AT 4:13 AM
Tiny
SATURNTECH9
  • EXPERT
  • 30,734 POSTS

Try lightly tapping on the mass air flow sensor with a screw driver handle see if it runs any different?You could also try cleaning the mass air flow sensor with some mass air flow sensor cleaner.

Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Tuesday, December 18th, 2012 AT 7:26 AM
Tiny
DLVAUGHN1963
  • MEMBER

I unplugged and plugged the sensor, ran engine no change. Cleaned the MAF sensor last month, got no appreciable difference in performance. I'm not ruling out some sort of either gasket leak or possibly maybe even really bad fuel injector clogging. However I have read it will cost me quite a bit for gasket work, and I'm not gonna spend this much money on it. Ive only known about this misfire condition until I fixed the high idle issue. I'm at a loss now. The only part I have not changed is the ICM and Ive read that this component is either good or bad.

Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Tuesday, December 18th, 2012 AT 4:57 PM
Tiny
SATURNTECH9
  • EXPERT
  • 30,734 POSTS

So do you have any codes right now in the computer?Also did you check for vacuum leaks?If so how did you check for them?

Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Tuesday, December 18th, 2012 AT 5:17 PM
Tiny
DLVAUGHN1963
  • MEMBER

Still have the random misfire.I don't have a smoke generator, I don't smoke a cigar or cigarette ( the cheap smoke generator so I read :) ) I have sprayed the top of every seam and gasket of the car with a mild soapy solution to chase a leak, and have not found one. I have read that 99 Buick centuries are famous for clogging fuel injectors, I've run two cans of seafoam in my tank and there has been a slight increase in performance. The ransom misfire and idle stumbling does not happen when the engine is first started. It runs fine for about 20 sec. Then as the engine runs, I guess the electrical signals from whatever goes through the engine computer. The engine then starts the cycle of high revs with the first one higher revving then tapers about every 10 seconds for roughly 5 cycles. Then the engine settles with the misfire. When the engine throttle is moved instead of a smooth acceleration, it stumbles and at a certain point will quickly accelerate. So I think one of two things is going on. Either I have a vac leak still, or I have a horribly clogged fuel injector. The misfire does seem to go away, but not entirely.

Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Tuesday, December 18th, 2012 AT 5:47 PM
Tiny
SATURNTECH9
  • EXPERT
  • 30,734 POSTS

I really dont see how soapy water can find a vacuum leak since a vacuum is the absence of air pressure so no bubbles are going to form. You use carb cleaner and look for rpms going up or down stumbling etc.

Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Wednesday, December 19th, 2012 AT 1:07 AM
Tiny
DLVAUGHN1963
  • MEMBER

Will try again but got no rise in rpms

Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Wednesday, December 19th, 2012 AT 2:24 AM
Tiny
SATURNTECH9
  • EXPERT
  • 30,734 POSTS

Iam thinking vacuum leaks with the unstable idle have you tried cleaning the idle air control valve?

Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Wednesday, December 19th, 2012 AT 2:31 AM
Tiny
DLVAUGHN1963
  • MEMBER

Replaced the idle air control valve

Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Wednesday, December 19th, 2012 AT 5:14 AM
Tiny
DLVAUGHN1963
  • MEMBER

Merry Christmas.
I'm really at a loss. It seems like what ever I think maybe the issue is not. I am thinking now it is some sort of seal leak. When the engine is cold initially it runs nicely for about a minute, then the random misfires occur, and stay until the engine reaches optimum temperature. Once the engine is allowed to cool, then the misfires come back, then goes away when the engine has reached the optimum temp. When the misfires occur, the engine is very sluggish to the point of stalling. Then once warm, the acceleration is normal, and so is the idle. I'm thinking intake manifold from the throttle body? My intake manifold is NOT plastic, but looks like cast alluminum. Is this gasket normally an issue or is it somewhere else?

Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Wednesday, December 26th, 2012 AT 4:55 PM
Tiny
SATURNTECH9
  • EXPERT
  • 30,734 POSTS

I have seen clogged fuel injectors cause random miss fires a smoke test is the best way to find vacuum leaks.

Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Please consider a donation if we helped you
Thursday, December 27th, 2012 AT 1:00 AM
Tiny
DLVAUGHN1963
  • MEMBER

Can a bad O2 sensor cause this problem or is it truly a leak?

Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Monday, December 31st, 2012 AT 5:16 AM
Tiny
DLVAUGHN1963
  • MEMBER

You are gonna love this.
Had run out of options and tired of buying parts so. I looked at routing of spark wires and all of them were good plug to right coil. However. I did find the #3 plug wire NOT clipped I the top of the plug. So I checked them all and started the car and I had a single hiccup and surge and immediately the idle went away. So for anyone who reads this thread to the end random misfire check all cables for connection. Random multiple misfires DO typically point to something in the ignition/timing discrepancy. It took three months to get to this point and I believe that if I would have changed the ICM I may still have not fixed this. Truly the craziest and most challenging of problems always have the simplest corrective action. I did have some minor initial drive rumbles with acceleration but the ECM quickly returned the engine to normal operating parameters. Thanks for your assistance and suggestions for fixing this idle/rpm misfire dilemma.
Dennis

Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Monday, December 31st, 2012 AT 4:57 PM

Please login or register to post a reply.

Related Engine Idle High Questions

Recommended articles