Mechanics

CYLINDER HEAD

2006 Hummer H3

Engine Mechanical problem
2006 Hummer H3 Automatic 41000 miles

Brought H3 in for catalytic converter rattling noises, and dealer confirmed the converter needed changing, but they also told me that there is a cracked cylinder head. Can diagnostic testing reveal this kind of problem without getting into the engine? I was in the waiting area for not more than an hour and they return to give this news. There were no recognizable or detectable signs from the vehicle to alert me that anything was wrong with the engine other than the check engine symbol on dash that coincided about the time I began to hear the converter noise. I assume the light came on due to possible communication with the converter.
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Tcoonie
December 6, 2009.



Hi there, thank you for the donation,

I would like to know how there decided that the head was cracked by changing the converter, did you have any problems with coolant loss, over heating or misfiring? There are specific test for finding a head or gasket problem, but I fail to see why there would be doing this for the converter problem, I would be asking a few questions on why there suspect the crack, and what tests they did to confirm this.

Mark (mhpautos)

Mhpautos
Dec 7, 2009.
A leak down test was performed and was found to have 40% compression lost so dealer said this cause misfiring only while idling. This is why the check engine light was on. Any comments on this?

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Tcoonie
Dec 7, 2009.
HI there, A leak down test would show a valve or a ring problem not a cracked head, I would like them to do a wet comp test to prove a valve problem, even the leak down will show a valve you can normally hear the pressure escaping through the exhaust, but still to presume that the head is cracked at this stage is a long call, the head will have to be crack tested when off to confirm this.

Mark (mhpautos)

Mhpautos
Dec 7, 2009.
Here is a bit of reference on the subject. It says in rare instances, but it is more common than you think. Typically it occurs on cylinders more toward the rear. I doubt that the head is cracked, at least I have yet to see one on the several cylinder heads that I have replaced. I have even replaced several heads on 07 H3's as well.

#PIP3935D: Misfire At Idle Due To Leaking Intake Valves - Supplement To 07-06-01-011 - keywords 2.8L 3.5L compression controls cylinder driveability DTC engine excessive head high L52 LK5 leakage leakdown low - (Mar 18, 2008)

Subject: Misfire at Idle due to Leaking Intake Valves - Supplement to 07-06-01-011

Models: 2004-2005 Chevrolet Colorado, GMC Canyon

2006 Chevrolet Colorado, GMC Canyon

and Last 6 of VIN Less than 287698

2006 Hummer H3

and Last 6 of VIN Less than 287591

This PI was superseded to update model years and engines, and to revise the repair recommendations. Please discard PIP3935C.

The following diagnosis might be helpful if the vehicle exhibits the symptom(s) described in this PI.

Condition/Concern: On rare occasions, a SES light and P0300 may be experienced due to a single cylinder misfire at idle that may or may not be felt. This may occur before the VIN breakpoints above due to non-uniform intake valve seat wear, which may prevent the intake valve from sealing properly. Vehicles built after these VIN breakpoints contain harder intake valve seats to address this concern. If the engine misfires occur off of idle, this PI does not apply. Bulletin 07-06-01-011 contains a labor operation and related tips for performing a cylinder leakage test to diagnose this concern but it does not indicate what repairs should be performed if a leaking intake valve is found.

Recommendation/Instructions: If the SI diagnostics do not isolate a cause for this concern, refer to the latest version of 07-06-01-011 and the " Cylinder Leakage Test" procedure in SI to perform a cylinder leakage test. If a leaking intake valve is found, replace the cylinder head by following the latest version of 06-06-01-017, which contains the necessary replacement procedure and part numbers. If the vehicle is a 2006 model, install the latest PCM calibrations to complete the repair. The cylinder head received from GMSPO contains harder intake valve seats to address this concern.

Please follow this diagnostic or repair process thoroughly and complete each step. If the condition exhibited is resolved without completing every step, the remaining steps do not need to be performed.

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Factoryjack
Dec 7, 2009.