I have checked the ignition black box which the key turns seems to be working fine but wont turn the car over , also i have bridged the contacts on starter motor with ignition on and car will turn over , i can also hear the relay in fuse box click so i guess that works ,i can also hear the relay inside the car click so i guess that works . if you have any idea on this i will be very greatfull thank you . also the car is a manual .. thanks keith .