For some reason iM not getting "Spark"

Tiny
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Tried replacing the ECU and "Flashing" the BDM at a local Dealership and theyre just beat on what the problem is
Friday, September 21st, 2012 AT 10:10 PM

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Tiny
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Was anything done prior to this occurring?
Was the distributor tested?
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Friday, September 21st, 2012 AT 10:32 PM
Tiny
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Reflashing a defective computer won't fix anything, and reflashes address emissions and performance issues, not no-start problems. Besides that, Chrysler Engine Computers are the last thing to suspect. They just don't cause that much trouble. Have you checked for diagnostic fault codes?

Have you checked for fuel pressure or did you get hung up on the first thing you found missing, the spark? A real quick test is to measure the voltage at the ignition coil, any injector, or either small wire on the back of the alternator. You should see 12 volts there for just one second after turning on the ignition switch. You might need to check that with a test light. Most digital voltmeters don't respond fast enough to show that pulse.

What's important is does that voltage come back during cranking? That will determine the next step in the diagnosis.
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Friday, September 21st, 2012 AT 10:34 PM
Tiny
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They say the reprogrammed the computer, But im not sure they did all, They said theyre not recieving a pulse
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Friday, September 21st, 2012 AT 10:48 PM
Tiny
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And I just bought it a week ago in this condition, For very cheap so
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Friday, September 21st, 2012 AT 10:49 PM
Tiny
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Also the Engines computer is Mitsubishi, I guess those avengers had Mitsubishi engines and such
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Friday, September 21st, 2012 AT 10:54 PM
Tiny
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Did you test the distributor?
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Friday, September 21st, 2012 AT 11:35 PM
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I didn't im not sure if Dealership did they have the car at the moment but theyre just becoming a money dump at this point.
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Friday, September 21st, 2012 AT 11:42 PM
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Vehicle is equipped with distributor and for no spark condition, that should be the first thing to do. I wonder why they recommend a new PCM.
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Friday, September 21st, 2012 AT 11:47 PM
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Well we had spark before, And we didnt have power to injectors. So we thought maybe a Used Computer would work. Once we switched it, It locked up the Body Mod.
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Friday, September 21st, 2012 AT 11:50 PM
Tiny
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Do you have spark now?

Pulsing of injectors are also related to the distributor.
If the dealer can't handle this, then you need a new dealership in town.
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Saturday, September 22nd, 2012 AT 12:32 AM
Tiny
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From what they last said, The dont have a spark and "Are completely lost in discovering whats wrong"
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Saturday, September 22nd, 2012 AT 12:35 AM
Tiny
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You can't have spark if you had no power to the fuel injectors. They both are fed from the automatic shutdown (ASD) relay. You either did the tests at different times when the intermittent problem was acting up during one test, or something was measured incorrectly. After almost 40 years in tv repair I can't tell you how many times I got confused from misreading my equipment or not making good contact with the probes.

As for "not receiving a pulse", that doesn't mean anything. Pulse from what? Crankshaft position sensor? Injectors? Distributor?

Yes, you will find Mitsubishi stuff on this car. It's a Mitsubishi product with the Dodge name on it. (If it has the original cd / cassette combo radio, those are built by them for all of the Chrysler car and truck models and are REAL high quality).

It just occurred to me, you checked for spark and you checked for power to the injectors, but how did you do that? There won't be any power to the injectors unless you're cranking the engine. Naturally you're cranking the engine when checking for spark.
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Saturday, September 22nd, 2012 AT 12:45 AM
Tiny
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We checked for the power to injectors, Once we ddint have any we changed the ECU and the body module then locked us out. So we didnt even have spark.
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Saturday, September 22nd, 2012 AT 12:57 AM
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Were you cranking the engine when checking for 12 volts to the injectors? If not, there won't be any voltage there.
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Saturday, September 22nd, 2012 AT 1:47 AM
Tiny
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Yup
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Saturday, September 22nd, 2012 AT 2:08 PM
Tiny
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Mechanic working on my car still confused. I'm having it towed back Monday if they don't get a new guy working on it.
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Saturday, September 22nd, 2012 AT 7:09 PM
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Ensure the timing belt has not failed.
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Saturday, September 22nd, 2012 AT 7:17 PM
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The guy I bought it from thought it was that we checked it before I bought it
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Saturday, September 22nd, 2012 AT 7:20 PM
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If you still don't have sparks, start with the distributor.
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Saturday, September 22nd, 2012 AT 7:25 PM
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The guy I bought it from thought that too. But we checked before I bought it its fine
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Saturday, September 22nd, 2012 AT 7:40 PM

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